The modifications to the dust collector are. To do these modifications I will need / have the following materials. But it is more than adequate for small shop dust collection. At the time I researched it, the wisdom was that 5" was sufficient for flow assuming it's hard pipe with gradual bends and no hard elbows. For all interested my latest HF ad shows the 2hp DC for $199.99. In lieu of the Wynn filter, the Donaldson P181038 filter is reported to be a direct equivalent to the Wynn 35a with a much lower price tag. So back to the cleanup I guess.. https://wynnenv.com/products-page/woodworking-filter-pricing/35a274nano-cartridge-kit/. (it only took 8 months to get it installed. Turn it on and verify function. Paul-Woodworkers Guild of America. Donaldson P181099 Filter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KNIPIGA/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_VQ3MXY4J4VN4B1S9N3MM. I propped the base on sleepers to attach the casters. Harbor Freight 2HP Dust Collector, Model 97869 $199.00, **Coupons and discounts are frequently available for all Harbor Freight tools, and shipping is a flat rate $6.99, Tags: dust collection, Dust Collector, Inexpensive Dust Collector, Shop Vacuum, Vacuum. All of the online tests of this modification alone show increased CFM of at least 35%, and static pressure (vacuum) increases of at least 10%.

I linked the Wynn clips. /r/woodworking is your home on reddit for furniture, toys, tools, wood, glue, and anything else that has to do with woodworking as a hobby or profession. Sorry I have no way of measuing it, but there are folks that have done this swap and measured it. I don't know about you but I like my children roasted to a nice maple color. If you take the bag off, you and your lungs will be coated in fine sawdust, even if you're standing upwind. A $13 wireless controller and 2 $7 remote controls. May 30, 2012 By Seth Keller & filed under Buying Advice, Product Review. I see how Jason in his video has his filter attached. We simply have a rule that you can't have things visible over the fence without approval and meeting a visual guideline that matches the house. All the bag units outperformed the Jet and Powermatic canister units (which were rated fair). I wired it up on a metal cart, chained it to the cart to keep it from walking off, and plugged it in. Also, Im thinking about adding a duct booster fan venting outside through a window to help with any fumes. A friend of mine had one that he was no longer going to use and sold to me cheap and I hooked it up in tandem with my previous unit through 50+ feet of 6 pipe and it went from pretty good to amazing! After the baffle, it was once every 12 to 18 months, I'd guess. These canisters just have to have some sort of cleaning device like a slide or paddle and until the Wynn does I cant support them and I want to I like the filter itself. It worked great. Next, all I need to do is find a place to put it. Bill Pentz is the most valuable resource for information on the hazards of wood dust that I have found and his writings should be read. https://go.wwgoa.com/C20970. I suspect a swap to a cartridge would make this unit into a stellar performer for half the price of the competition. The kit cost around $190.00. However, with my intended function, of eventually fitting into a much smaller workspace, and the need to keep the DC small, I felt this setup was as optimal as I was potentially going to get. Thank you all for your input. Or is their description a little less than honest? Thanks for the explanations.

The only down side is. https://wynnenv.com/products-page/woodworking-filter-pricing/fgl-l-4/, As far as I know, the current Central Machinery 2 HP dust collector is more or less the same as the old one, but with a different base, and paint color. All times are GMT-6. But those same threads say that the Wynn filters are a PITA to clean. JavaScript is disabled. Is there a way to upgrade to a 1 micron filter bag for this model? The remote control for the DC system arrived today. I am finding a LOT of contradictory information out there, I know the OE impeller equipped HF DC just won't support 6" duct, but some folks say impeller swapped will, and some say it won't. Can anyone recommend an alternative or potentially a source for this impeller on the used / part out market? BTW_ I had a cuopon and got it for $169.95, a bargain. I'm running 5" metal tube backbone and 4" drops (2.5 on some that have a 2.5 port, like the miter saw and DP). I can attest to the good overall airflow as when I first set it up, it crumpled the trashcan like a soda can, I wound up having to reinforce the trashcan (after pounding it back into shape) with angle iron. We do NOT want the impeller to start moving while our hands are in there! There is an increased startup amp draw, but it is not huge. Wisdom comes with age and experience. It may not display this or other websites correctly. what size PVC did you run? Before I added the baffle, I was having to remove and clean my filter about once a month. I should have gotten one of these before starting my current project, lots of sweeping and vacuuming. Using a 5mm allen wrench, loosen and remove the retaining screw turning clockwise. I know this is an old post. I placed mine on an outside wall to my shop and rant the intake inside my shop, hooked to a Dust Deputy. Transfer the gasket if it is on the old flange, if not move to installing new flange on the impeller housing. IF your filter does not have gasket material on the bottom, obtain some foam weatherstrip material and attach it. Well the hose started leaking. This detail was unexpected considering the bargain-basement price. I should note they are not talking about removing the filter and neither was I. That machine will not generate anywhere near that level of CFM when measured through a duct. As you know from my Workshop page I own a Harbor Freight 2HP dust collector that is fitted with a .5 micron Wynn Environmental washable filter, which in over 10 years has never needed to be washed due to my Thien cyclone. With PVC piping around my shop at/near each station. Set up a cyclonic separator of some sort. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I do plan, however, to add a cyclonic separator to keep the chips from clogging the 5-micron filter and plastic bag. I mean, the one with the bigger motor should win right? That's why soon many people add a pre-separator of some type. And because of the lack of back pressure better suction. (My dust collector cyclone and blower is installed inside my shop because the shop is heated and cooled) it took me several weeks to build enough enclosure around the cyclone to quiet it enough to be able to stand it. Replace the 20 micron bag filter with a .5 micron cartridge filter. So the impeller is now upgraded, and the flange upsized. Well the suction / CFM of this thing has always lacked a bit. All rights reserved.. Picture Window theme. I did a raincheck on one and am wondering if I need an extension cord at all until I get duct ran? Harbor Freight list the part number mentioned, 97869, but also another 61790 that is also 2HP 70gal, best I can see the only difference is one has a solid base vs a frame? Using proper PPE drill the holes. Because my unit has been modified by the addition of large wheels, to allow me to roll it out into the yard , along with one of the Super Dusty Deputy cyclones, to vacuum pine cones and fall leaves, I stayed with bags, rather than an expensive cartridge, which would not be as tolerant of abuse. 4) Last year, I added a HF. Seth, please post pictures when you have added your cyclonic separator. It works very effectively even on high producers like the 5HP drum sander. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have a similar unit with a 1hp motor. Sounds like a fire horn to summon voluntary firefighters. In my area (Oregon) the HF DC is always $199 and they have 20% off coupons close to every week that brings them down to the $160 range. So to alleviate this, I picked up a pneumatic ferrule crimp tool, and a box of ferrules, and went after making my hoses cut to length for this application. I needed a new dust collector in a bad way. Shop vacuums are a great way to start collecting dust and chips out in the garage or basement, but a full sized dust collector offers much more suction as well as greater capacity for chips on tools like the planer and jointer. Using a rubber mallet, and a piece of scrap wood as a striking surface, drive the new impeller onto the shaft, striking the wood, and using the wood to push the impeller hub, until the impeller is fully seated. I got the 35B filter so that I could remove the top for cleaning without having to remove the filter from the HF unit. http://lumberjocks.com/rexbair/blog/34712, http://www.jpthien.com/smf/index.php?topic=145.msg796#msg796, http://familywoodworking.org/forums/showthread.php?24703-Dust-Collector-Modification. I was able to pick up the pipe used, so for cost reasons, I can understand if you'd go plastic. Mine came that way, so I'm no help on the conversion side of things. Any ideas? Central Machinery (Harbor Freight) 2 HP dust collector upgrades. I've had my HF DC for several years now and it has the Wynn filter too.

So now the cartridge filter is installed. For the Thien baffle, see the link above.

I will certainly invest in blast gates to manage the suction in the machine and to keep my runs of hose short. i highly recommend the upgrade. https://amzn.to/3DMrJfs You may want to use Wynn's floating gear latches to secure the filter, or possibly come up with your own rig. As the motor was powering down I would slap the bag with both hands and you could see the dust falling into the lower bag, that cleans the 5 micron filter. With your membership you will also receive discounts on products and hours of Premium video content.

Paul-WWGOA. Is it truely 2hp? The Harbor Freight unit is a good bang for the buck, in my opinion. Using a Dylos and sanding MDF panels they tested 8 Units 5 bag and 3 canister DCs. The Grizzly work and bolts right on the HF, I prefer it over the Wynn by a pretty big margin. And run the puller pressure screw in, making adjustments to your puller to be sure you get a succesful pull all the way until the impeller comes off. I use PVC and get everything from a home center. The difference was night and day better than the bag. I have some large outlays coming up next month as I'm buying a commercial building and moving the shop out of the garage before winter. I went with a Wynn Environmental 35a spun bond poly long ago, but there are newer less expensive options nowadays. This is what I use on the outlet of my 600cfm wen dust collector pulling through an oneida super dust deputy on a 30 gal barrel. A duct booster fan?

Freight vacuum.

IF it stays on the impeller housing, just leave it there. It costs $17 more but it's worth the tiny extra cost to not have to remove the filter. Their face has probably turned that same color a few times also! I need to research the threads on DC systems, particularly the HF one. This actually filters the dangerous dust, AND provides superior airflow. These can go away now. Was going to order the Wynn Environmental Merv 15 filter to upgrade my Harbor Freight 2hp dust collector but just saw they increased the price from $232 to $259 and will charge me $40 for shipping. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KNIPIGA/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_VQ3MXY4J4VN4B1S9N3MM, Learn more about Reddits use of cookies. Welcome to my tale of setting up and working in my regular guys workshop. 5 dust collector piping? And it was being caused by the weight of way too much extra hose being left on the quick connect joints. Despite taking 2 hours to assemble, Im pleased with the Harbor Freight Dust Collector. More expensive, but the paddle, plus a few jolts to get the cleaned out sawdust into the bag, seems like a better setup than the Wynn. Paul I can't comment on the DC itself, I went another route on that. Very tiny beads that i used to make a dead blow turned mallet. By becoming a member, you will have access to our experts knowledge. It is always hard to justify the cost of a tool that just sits around collecting dust (thats a joke), especially when I still need other tools for actually making things! JavaScript is disabled. All identical in size & weight. Hi, Bryan. of .62, so instead I returned the box of .5something ferrules and ordered the right size, which should be at my door tomorrow. Time to replace the old bag filter on my Delta Dust collector, can't hardly get it clean and the drop in airflow sucks :dash2: Has anyone out there used the Wynn Environmental 35A conversion to put a canister filter on their machine? It was safely shipped with fitted Styrofoam packaging, and each part was protected from the other by cardboard or wrap. The reduction in dust over a bag is amazing. Is it cheaper than 6 pvc? That seems like a lot of money. But since Oneida said they accounted for this, I didn't see a reason to stretch things. They run through Super Dust Deputy cyclones. Great question! That modification made it very loud!!! Paul-WWGOA, I have one and am assembling my new shop in the basement. I used air tool oil as it was right where I was working. This page was generated at 08:20 PM. The standoffs the original poster used are a bit on the big side, but the idea is right there. Align the new impeller bore / keyway to the key / shaft, and wiggle it a bit until it just barely starts to go in. I have not done it and (I have not read much about it) I'm not sure what the "internal" baffle does. It was pretty amazing the stuff the engineers left out when describing procedures. I have noticed over the years that foreign countries write their instructions in poor English or hard to understand English. I too, have a Harbor Freight Dust collector. Unplug the dust collector, or at the very least, removing the safety key from the switch. You must log in or register to reply here. CFM ratings from many vendors are based on theoretical numbers, or measured right at the inlet. Would a dust unit help remove this, or would it just get gummed up (the lacquer dust is pretty dry, but still slightly tacky)? FWIW, I found this sifting thru some old stuff. Someone here did a tutorial on using a wok for the baffle. Very happy with my set-up. So you've only done a baffle on the bottom half? It appears that every time you want to blow out the filter you will have to remove the baffle to remove the filter.. Like I say I haven't read much about that baffle, but I would suggest, if you don't already know the answers, wait until you get the filter before building the baffle to see how they will work together. I talked about it in my last blog post, but I wanted to dedicate a post to this subject as I figure it will be easier to find that way. I also replaced the casters as one developed a flat spot and wouldnt roll. Just for reference, several more knowledgeable than me recommend blowing the filters out, rather than removing them and such. I always knew the factory impeller was garbage and massively undersized, but the only alternative I knew of, the Rikon impeller was expensive, and constantly unavailable. It work, too. Hey Shannon, Seth has moved to a new shop that has a large dust collection system, so he no longer uses the HF DC. Hi Corky. I bought the HF DC as well. They have flex hose and blast gates, but if you want to set up a permanent duct system youll need to get some steel ducts or PVC. Thanks for the "shaken not stirred" hint Kelly. #1. The HF dust collector has likely changed multiple times since this review, but fundamentally it is the same machine. When I bought the Oneida cyclone I talked to them about it and they verified this was good. So little is exhausted because of the cyclone, that it is no big deal. First - all that the other guys said about airflow. Static builds up. If you say its quiet, its quiet. I really don't know how it compares, I wasn't interested in using PVC at all and never shopped it. I would suggest using 4 metal ducting, keeping your runs as short as possible, and minimizing the use of flex hose. Keep the trust washer with the screw in the orientation it came off. There are a few You Tube videos out there showing how to modify the HF dust collector to a cyclone system. My DC is a true 3HP with a monster impeller and 6" inlet. There are 2 that I know of, one from Rikon that has been next to impossible to get, and when available costs almost as much as the dust collector, and one from Wen, the 3403-22 Turbofan.

In the upcoming months pull the 2 4" runs, convert to a single overhead 6" with a single 4" branch to provide under cabinet for table saw, and router. I still use box fans with furnace filters for ambient dust, but the decrease in dust is noticeable.

Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. :). Remove the attachment screws for the flange. In both sets the 15mm were missing, in both sets somehow they were behind the lathe. 1) Two big Jets (3hp). Attach new ducting, or adapter to make it work with existing ducting. Install filter per MFG instructions, or at the very least, using bungee cords, strap that sucker down. I replaced their dust bag with a 1 micron bag. Hope you plan on grounding your pvc pipes. My last few years of dust collection experience and research tell me that reference is not correct. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Interesting. I was able to pick up the pipe used, so for cost reasons, I can understand if you'd go plastic. I found recently that the Wen impeller for their bag dust collector is a great match for the HF DC, and is reasonably priced. I sorted my small parts bins, and found I have WAY too many and WAY too varied fasteners. That's what we called the written in Japanese, translated in Japan english version. Happy Woodworking! The change in airflow / suction is quite noticeable. I've seen baffles on garbage cans pre-DC to separate the big stuff our before it reaches the DC. I have this unit hooked to my table saw and the other hose to my router and it does a good job for me and Im very happy that I purchased it. I have one with 70 pvc and a lot of blastgates running a whole shop. Yep. I does a good job for about 150 with coupon. There is so much volume of air going through that dust collector a canister filter would plug up in minutes. If youre looking for a bargain collector, this is it. Once a month, maybe every 6 weeks, I'll remove the top and use my shop vac to suck the dust off the Wynn filter material after I have blown the majority of it off with compressed air from the outside and the dust settles inside the unit. I am again finding tools I thought I had lost. Hopefully you will get something out of your time here! I must say though, if you already have a Harbor Freight 2HP dust collector, GET THIS IMPELLER AND DO THE SWAP! From what I've read, no, but from what I've seen I not sure a little bit of loss would out weigh the benefits. The cyclone does the bulk of the heavy lifting, and very little seems to get through to the filters. Come join the discussion about different types of routing and routers, shop safety, finishing, woodworking related topics, styles, tools, scales, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Budget doesn't allow anything more expensive. I placed mine in a magnetic bowl while working to keep them from wandering off. The internal baffle must sit on the bottom side of the DC? Then I ran an expandable hose with DustRight fittings on all my tools. Works great. Hi Adam. I once again have a full set of Snap On deep well 3/8" drive metric sockets, and a full set of Snap On metric combination wrenches. This will upgrade the inlet flange to 6" allowing connection of course to a 6" ducting system. pressure. Do you still have your HF DC? I will be getting the paddle type filter for the second one. Thanks for reading. Paul, trust me. Sadly this turned out to be problematic as the first box of Ferrules I bought, advertised for 3/8" air hose do not actually fit 3/8" air hose, at least not 3/8" rubber air hose that has a measured O.D. I did change the bag to a 1 micron bag and I added foam gasket, like you use between campers and pickup beds, to get a better seal around the bags and both things helped a great deal. Carlos, I cant imagine your blower not disturbing the neighbors! 2007-2014 David B. Hostetler. If you wear it. While it doesnt have mind-blowing suction, it has plenty to capture dust when connected to individual tools such as a table saw, jointer or planer. You are using an out of date browser. The explanation that I got, was that is reduces the cyclone happening in the bottom half of the collector, which allows the chips and dust to settle rather than being stirred up and possibly getting sucked up into the filter bag. This model is no longer available, and Wynn has gotten expensive recently. Thanks The Rikon P60-200-22 impeller seems to be the recommended replacement, but it appears to no longer be available. Why wouldn't that work on the HF? It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. When we were installing my 5 hp clearview I wanted to test out the blower before I installed it 10 high. I came across a version from Harbor Freight at a fraction of the cost as the closest competitor; less than $200** including shipping, so I decided to go for it. When I bought the Oneida cyclone I talked to them about it and they verified this was good. Yes it is. I scoured the internet, home stores and woodworking shops for a full sized collector with at least a 2HP motor with 650 CFM suction and a 5-micron bag. Wynn Environmental makes an outstanding filter 35A274NANO at 0.5 microns. Otherwize the Wynn filter will not fasten down. Thanks! I am very please with mine. Btw, given the collector happens to be on an outside area, the exhaust hose simply blows free I dont have it running into the filter bags. The winner was the Jet 5M bag followed by the General International canister. I built a thein type primary collector. I did not assemble it as instructed though. I'll share my experience installing it after it gets here. It works very well and makes a HUGE difference. Why wouldn't that work on the HF?One more question and them I think I have another project to do, but does this baffle restrict the air flow in any way, if so I'd be afraid that would not be good for the DC unit? If you are interested in becoming a member, please click on the special offer below: Boy I hate cleaning that filter! Just want to get a few opinions before I drop that much on a filter . This is a reminder to those commenting on this post (not the person that posted it): Comments not related to woodworking will be removed. I did upgrade it to a pleated cartridge filter for better dust control. I was wonder how I would connect my 5 basic machines and one connection for my portable tools? Any kind of pleated filter is worth it, in my opinion. JavaScript is disabled. So are the specs exaggerated? Costly, but after building a separator from a wok I have a great vacuum that doesnt put any dust into the air. The hose outlet bolted firmly to the blower. Thank you, Hi William. For $27! If this is marketed as a 2hp unit with 1500+cfms and is insufficient for a whole shop, how can one compare it with other more expensive units? Size up, and select the proper drill bit for drilling metal. I would search around on the internet for options, but you also might want to start here: I used Penn State and they had a hard, taller one micron filter that fit the ring of the Harbor If you have any further questions, please chat, email, or contact Customer Service at 1-855-253-0822. On the plus side I do have a can style separator in the system already to catch the big stuff. That said, I doubt that the fine dust or dry sawdust that I create would slow down enough to create a clog even if I used 12 pipe! This is after all my space, I could have simply jettisoned the unwelcome intrusions to my space, but I didn't. I've searched here and read a lot of threads about using the Wynn 35A and 35BA canisters. Upsize the inlet flange from 5" to 6".

I finally found the dimension on the Grizzly filter, it's 14-1/2" the HF needs a 17" dia. It's true that they flow so much air they can clog quicker. I bought a HF dust collector about 5 years ago as an inexpensive alternative and it worked fairly well, I retrofitted with a cyclone and a pleated filter, worked better yet. Replace the tiny stock impeller with an impeller that is basically the biggest impeller I can fit in the housing. Ill be adding a pvc pipe system with blast gates to various areas in my shop. Hi, Oscar. When the house is finished I will install it in my workshop with a manifold to several machines. You are going to need to drive it home though. If this blower was outside everyone within a mile would be complaining! How long is the power cord for this? Match original flange to new flange back to back. I see how Jason in his video has his filter attached. 2) The big Jets replaced an Oneida Gorilla cyclone, but only because I, now, turn the collector off and on frequently, which the big systems are not designed to do. also fumes youll need to find an explodtion proof fan, expensive.Consider using neg. I started my 30+ year career as a tech writer by re-writing instructions and specifications written in "Japlish." Of course a good face mask it a good idea. We are convinced you will enjoy the benefits of becoming a member and having access to the best instructional how to videos and professional tips.

I wanted it to work well, if not great, and there are some simple modifications that go a long way to making this a much better unit. My shop is well overdue for some serious cleanup. So I was wondering if 1) At that price is it still worth it for a hobby woodworker in basement shop 2) are there any alternatives to Wynn. I went with the Wen. The reference is to Wood magazine July 2017 (sorry no free link to that article). Even if you bought 2 units at around $150.00 each you are still way below the cost of the name brands. I normally build a tent in the shop out of thin painters plastic, but inevitably lacquer dust gets out and coats everything. Ive had one of these Harbor Freight Dust Collectors for 6yrs now and have had no problems with the unit. The reason I have what you want is, I never lent it out before. So, like many, I have the 2HP Harbor Freight Dust collector, upgraded to a Wynn 35A filter. I think Grizzly makes the paddle filter, and it is more expensive. I made a Thein Top Hat out of some MDF and plywood and a 30 gal. I really enjoyed having this tool while framing our house, it saved a lot of clean up. This stuff is all used, and bought at around half the price of new. https://wenproducts.com/products/340530916dc&_ss=r, I am using a Hydrofarm AC6F 6" flange that will need to be drilled to match the Harbor Freight mounting holes. You are using an out of date browser. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, https://www.amazon.com/Grizzly-H578coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=1MJ43AJHYXP6KT4FX3YK, https://www.kmstools.com/king-industrial-1-1-2-hp-dust-collector-102672, https://damnfilters.com/products/p181059-donaldson-torit-oem-replacement-dust-collector-filter, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. If your only tool is a hammer, you tend to treat all problems as if they were nails. I have this filter set up and highly recommend it. Ticket does harbor fright have hose and all the fitting to go with the dust collector. I suggest starting with a woodworking specialty store. I'm very happy with the performance of the HF unit. The manual was maddening, and actually mislead me in a number of circumstances; be warned! Not sure I want to know. One more question and them I think I have another project to do, but does this baffle restrict the air flow in any way, if so I'd be afraid that would not be good for the DC unit?