If you choose to call them, I suggest you first find out what model LCN you have by comparing the dimensions and screw pattern of your closer with installation instructions online at LCN. just looked at the norton 78 b/f closer. To be sure, check the installation instructions. i want to design a gate so that when you slide one door open the other slides in a different direction. Since I need both these features, can I use both devices? This always results in the closer not working properly. If your closer does not have adjustable spring tension you might consider replacing it with one that does. Pictures of the different types of door closers are shown in the sections following. Some states this is lower for exterior doors and in some cases local fire codes will have a lower requirement and this usurps the ADA code in this case. can you reference a diagram how a standard closer (in any of the 3 standard configurations) would be installed on a round top door? I very much appreciate your knowledge. Question: MY door closer will not fully close the door. It's a surface mounted closer, top jamb installation. I think we can conclude that the door is being opened with sufficient force to 'bottom out' the arm such that it pulls very hard on the closer body, pulling out or shearing off the screws. (EB Series-sold separately) Lapcon technology provides soft-closemovement downward. Easy surface-mount installation. Ideal for counter flaps at Sugatsune JFR DOOR CLOSER 6 mm thickness gap. The screw that connects the door frame to the actual hinge broke off. The door is made of aluminum and I would say it's heavy, like most newer houses have, with a thickness of maybe 2".

Learn more, Surface Mounted Door Damper (Controls final 15 degress of Closing) Right Hand - White comes in cases of 20, Surface mount version. about the oil/fluid, if I was approached with this situation, I would say to leave the fluid in the closer and adjust the valves so they are open all the way (not removed from closer body) this way it will not hinder the normal freeswinging feel but will slow it down if someone tries to slam it (in anger or wind take the door), as for the internal parts, this is best left to the experts/professionals to deal with, there is a really strong spring inside them that if taken out wrong or the wrong procedure used, can result in serious personal injury/damage to closer, Tom, a closer that has no fluid or piston/spring is often called a "dummy closer" these are common in use where a concealed overhead closer was used and removed for prepping door for surface or floor closer use, 2 closers is not really recommended for ADA codes, as well as could contribute to premature wear on pivot points. Width : Max. looks like it might fill the bill quite nicely. The hard part will be getting the broken off screw out of the header if it's still there, because it's fairly important to get that shoe back in the same place it was if you can.

It's in an industrial looking office space. Also if the arm is installed at the wrong angle on the spindle, the closer may not work correctly. I kept thinking everyone was talking about the backcheck valve. Fastener Type: 4 X 45, 3.5 X 15 mm Self tapping screw, Quiver Enterprises LLC 416 Carrie Lynn Avenue Algoma, WI 54201, Quiver Enterprises LLC Keep in mind, I'm not very smart when it comes to these things. Could you recommend a door closer that will work with this setup? Many US manufacturers make track closers. It does come in a sprayed brass finish. the instructions that came with my 4040XP, is the SAME installation sheet sent out with 4041's. To do it mechanically, one could create a chain and pulley system that would do the job, but the problem would be doing it in a way that does not create an obstruction to those using the gate. Surface mounted closer, top jamb installation. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on May 02, 2012: I searched for Ementematic but could not find anything. $67.00, Special Price When you repair your door casing, try to include a piece of wood to reinforce the header inside and to give you a solid place to which you can fasten your door closer shoe. At the bottom of the column of pictures of door closer arms is a drawing of an LCN 4040XP door closer from the LCN catalog, parallel arm mount, on a plate that is called a "drop plate." Any suggestions? Ideal for bar and countertop applications. Angle stopper designed to hold open at 95. Damper equipped for soft closing. Simple surface mount installation. Brackets, Sugatsune LDD-V LAPCON DOOR DAMPER (RECESSED TYPE) People have gone to extremes to try to conquer the problem you are doing, including using two closers on the same door (not something I recommend). On the push side of the door you mimic a person pushing the door open using the gauge.

Not the most attractive closer on the block, but it does do the job, I can attest first hand. perhaps they left them loose to level them". Hey Tom which is more durable in high traffic areas like apt doors spring loaded hinges or auto door closer and why thanks. There's a giant stone pillar the door hits right after 90 open. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on April 29, 2012: The Touch n' Hold by Greenstar is a heavy duty screen door closer, but it does not offer back check. Correct? Alternatively you could use spring hinges, but these would simply slam the door.

Please, can you help me. Or do they make a heavy duty closer that doubles as stop? If your closer has a nut or T handle that you must turn to activate the hold open feature, probably you will have to replace the arm. I set it up for a 120 opening even though it might open a little less than that. In older buildings, I have run into unique situations that prevent any kind of satisfactory install. Sounds ingenious! Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on June 27, 2012: I have used the LCN 1461T in this kind of application before with good success. They are both aggravating and kind of interesting at the same time :). How does one determine whether a right or left closer is needed? Tom Rubenoff has worked for over 35 years in the door hardware industry. If the door swings well and there is no air pressure problem, it sounds to me like the arm may not be installed correctly, or perhaps the closer is not installed correctly. Secondly it overcomes any stack pressure due to air conditioning. many of the big heavy duty closers are not recommended for hollow core doors, they are mainly for use with solid core or hollow METAL doors. I have heard that if it opens to the right if you are standing outside the door, a right hand is needed.

Did not know the door was hollow till we drilled it.. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on November 19, 2014: I think that the most effective remedy, although it would be expensive and would require expertise, would be to remove the double acting spring hinges and install overhead concealed or floor closers that are center hung and double acting. On the pull side of the door, the plate should be flush with the top of the door so that it can be screwed to the thin strip of wood inside the top of the door. The door swings out Left, is made of heavy aluminum, would be the Exterior door, would have an interior(push) mount and would have an area of about 8" height to mount a closer on the top. Examples of two kinds of concealed door closers are shown in photos above. When I found that no hardware would adequately reinforce the door, I removed the strip of wood from the top of the door and replaced it with a piece of 2x4 pine. They are usually nailed on with small finish nails.

Automatic Height Adjusting Leveling Glide. In order to make the installation, the installer must reinforce the door. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on January 18, 2018: Hi Garrett, I think you are on the right track. Currently I have a Universal Hardware UH4031, which is brand new, and it is giving me the same issues as the one I replaced. I adjusted the swing speed to be very slow, and the latch speed to be very fast. 1-800-421-2002, Regular Price: Door closers are generally used on public entrances where doors need to be more surely closed and with more finesse. I really can understand more now about the different types of closers. Surface mounted closer, parallel arm installation. Right hand version shown (viewing the door from the opening side, hinges are on the right. do you have a drawing for this? Door closers that do not have a tension adjustment are often sized to a specific size door. I'm sure if i did it would be like heaven to me. i did once run across the round top metal gate but since it was about 9ft tall AND inside was 'masked' by mesh/flat expanded metal, was able to install horizontal crossbar at 7' minimum height and fit 4041 to it and have it both not in the way and looking ok. also, there seems to be some variance where one applies the tip of a door pressure gauge.. some of your wisdom, please Tom. It is used to provide a surface to which you can attach the door closer when the surface of the door is too narrow to do so. Unobtrusive design : damper unit is only 20 mm high, easily fits most door frames. Dark Brown, View all cabinet, plinth & display lighting, Surface Mounted Door Damper (Controls final 15 degress of Closing) Right Hand - White, Surface Mounted Door Damper (Controls final 15 degress of Closing) Left Hand - White, Sign Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on March 07, 2011: There are special mounting brackets for door closers for special applications. It is very difficult to pull off option 2 and have it not turn out like the hack job it is, but sometimes there is no choice. What it sounds like to me, and I am guessing, is that your door opener was designed to open the door to a certain degree and hold it there. There are many variations on how you could get this to work. Answer: Your question prompts me to ask a question.

Another location you may see the numbers is on arm where it connects to the shaft of closer, those numbers are imdex marks, its to help properly position the arm during the installation. But we don't always have this luxury.

Alternatively, the catalog section on the LCN 4010T series says to consult the factory if the door is to be held open at 180 degrees. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on March 01, 2012: Thank you Jess. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on February 02, 2012: Really I feel that is a comparison between apples and oranges. If so, what is the distance between them when they are closed? Please stop back and let us know how it all turns out. Here is a list of information that you need to know before you order a door closer: When you have this information, you are ready to call your hardware professional.

Is there any add-on (or OEM closer) available that allows mounting where my current cheap tubular hydraulic closer is, which is about 18 inches off the threshold? As a result, we cannot show you the price in catalog or the product page. You have some leeway about the size of the screw that you use to reattach it. Answer: When a decorative molding makes door closer installation challenging, you can 1) use parallel arm installation on the push side of the door, or 2) if the molding is made of wood, cut into the decorative molding on the header to make a flat place to install the shoe. additionally, i'd like to find a digital door pressure gauge.. could a fishing scale be used in a pinch (rigged of course to apply "pressure" from either side..). Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on April 04, 2018: I do not know of a manual way to do this. You should be able to search these model numbers online and find examples of what I am talking about.

If you have a friction hold open that is adjusted using a nut on the arm, you can loosen the nut - just a little, mind you - and render the hold open feature ineffective, or you can replace the arm with a non hold open arm. Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on December 28, 2011: Yes you can use an overhead stop and a door closer on the same door. These are the things I would check first. If I'm not mistaken, if the backcheck needs adjusting after the closer is installed, one has to remove the door closer to do it. Also available are concealed overhead door closers that are mounted inside the header above the door or inside the door itself, and floor closers that are installed beneath the threshold. Answer: I'd say no, not significantly.

An extra block of wood is glued in where the lock goes so that the lock does not break through the veneer. In that case, it would probably have a mechanical device that would be activated when the opener has opened the door to the right angle. I think that would be the best solution. Sounds to me like your door frame is wood with a wooden decorative molding called a casing, and your closer shoe was mounted to just the casing and not to the header. Pivot hinges can be stronger and more durable than butt hinges. Due to COVID-19 Shipping Times May be Impacted. Will Jenkins http://www.callahandoors.com/products-services/com Tom rubenoff (author) from United States on October 07, 2013: Hmm, not sure. What is this number for. Maybe the compromise is using a corner bracket in an opening that is not tall enough to allow a corner bracket, or maybe it is opting for spring hinges instead. Use the directions to find out if the door opener has been installed in the correct location on the door.

Unlike concealed door closers for which doors are almost always prepared by the door manufacturer, surface mounted door closers need no special prep. Saw the comment on hollow wooden door but thought there might be some simple solutions ( or not so simple ) to metal doors as well.